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The "Five-a-Day" Lie 
16th-Jun-2011 08:08 am
This cynical five-a-day myth: Nutrition expert claims we've all been duped

By Zoe Harcombe

Last updated at 9:55 AM on 24th January 2011

With great fanfare, it was reported last week that the current health advice about eating five portions of fruit and vegetables a day is outdated, and that scientists now believe that eight portions is more beneficial.

While many people grumbled about how on earth they would manage those extra portions, I ­allowed myself a wry smile.

For more than two years I’ve known that the ‘five-a-day’ mantra we’re all so familiar with is nothing but a fairytale. [...]


Diet is everything. We load up on anti-oxidants to undo the damage we have done. What if we just don't do the damage in the FIRST place? Stop smoking. Stop eating highly processed food.

Now we load up on vegetables or even become vegetarian thinking we will be more healthy, but we aren't and won't be. Vegetables are not all that great. Compared to meat, they are pretty much nutritionally deficient. Eating more fruits and vegetables is all just a clever marketing campaign. It is interesting to note that the government has bought into it. Nutritional and medical information supplied by the government is at the political whims of special interest and lobbyists.
... It started as a marketing campaign dreamt up by around 20 fruit and veg ­companies and the U.S. National Cancer Institute at a meeting in California in 1991. And it’s been remarkably successful. ...

If you want to eat balanced, then here's a list:
... liver (good for all vitamins and packed with minerals), sardines (for vitamin D and calcium), eggs (all-round super-food with vitamins A, B, D, E and K, iron, zinc, calcium and more), sunflower seeds (magnesium, vitamin E and zinc) and dark-green vegetables such as broccoli or spinach (for vitamins C, K and iron).

Add milk (good for calcium, vitamins A and D), porridge oats (magnesium, zinc and B vitamins) and cocoa powder (magnesium and iron) and, hey presto, you’re provided with the full quota of every vitamin and mineral our bodies need. ...

If you still want antioxidants, then drink tea and coffee.
16th-Jun-2011 03:55 pm (UTC)
Liver is NOT recommended, since it's where the body (of all animals) store the majority of of toxins. When it was more difficult to get the nutrients one needs, and when there were less toxins in the food xhain. But now, it's not recommnded by dieticians.

And fruits and veggies are EXCELLENT sources of fiber, which helps interferes with the absorption of sugars and fats. Hence, they do have an essential place in the human diet.
16th-Jun-2011 07:21 pm (UTC) - Liver is safe
If you avoid liver because of toxins, you should probably avoid the rest of the animal, too.

Liver is NOT a repository for toxic metals and other "bad stuff". It does not store them. It is a processing plant, not really a filter. The toxic metals and other unhealthy compounds are passed to the kidneys and then eliminated. In your case, lacking functional kidneys, you probably would STILL benefit from eating a weekly serving of liver and suffer no ill effects. There just isn't that much toxin in liver or kidneys unless you are eating an animal raised in a superfund site.
16th-Jun-2011 07:25 pm (UTC) - and another thing
You will note that the foods outlined in my post DOES include vegetables and oats. There's your fiber.

Did you actually read the linked articles or just gloss over my post?

Edited at 2011-06-16 07:25 pm (UTC)
16th-Jun-2011 07:43 pm (UTC) - Re: Liver is safe
The kidneys don't process heavy metals. They process water and electrolyte

And Read this articl - second paragraph talhttp://netinc.net.my/health/l/002.htmks about the liver STORING. http://netinc.net.my/health/l/002.htm

16th-Jun-2011 09:14 pm (UTC) - Re: Liver is safe
It really seems like you scan rather than read. I never stated the kidneys processed anything.
The toxic metals and other unhealthy compounds are passed to the kidneys and then eliminated.

If you read the article link in the "Liver is safe" comment, you would have seen this following embedded link:


Note the "Collection of Materials" under "Materials and Methods". Note the last paragraph under "Arsenic" under "Results and Discussion". Also note the last paragraphs under the headings "Cadmium", "Mercury", "Zinc", "Copper", "Lead", and "Zinc".

READ and enjoy.

Edited at 2011-06-16 09:16 pm (UTC)
16th-Jun-2011 09:27 pm (UTC) - Re: Liver is safe
I'm gonna ignore your ad hominem attacks and just argue the facts.

Semantics. The kidneys don't process/filter/eliminate heavy metals. They do out through the stool. Or so say my kidney and liver specialists. And when a liver specialist says the livers stores heavy metals until chelation forces them out, I'll believe them over any non liver specialist (oh, and nephrologists). So should any rational, thinking human being.
16th-Jun-2011 09:32 pm (UTC) - Re: Liver is safe
Regarding the link you posted:

Non-authoritative source. No citations. Use of vernacular. Poor and inconsistent formatting. Yes. I did read the entire article. The storage they mention is for "food", not toxins. To wit:
"... The liver is a reservoir for storage of food elements, to be released on demand when needed by the body. ..."

No mention of storage of toxins.
16th-Jun-2011 09:08 pm (UTC)

A quick note about natural tea (As in: actual tea from the tea plant & not herbals which do not contain tea leaves) - be careful about having it with meals. I recently learned that it can interfere with iron absorbtion.

There is some conjecture as to whether adding citrus to the tea will counteract the effects as citrus & vitamin C in general actually does help with iron absorbtion.

Certain wines are also a good source for anti-oxidants. (And may pair well with cheeses, chocolate, nuts, olives & other fruit. :-)
16th-Jun-2011 09:35 pm (UTC) - Tea.
I didn't realize that about tea. Perhaps there is more to adding a bit of lemon than just flavor. Do you have a link to share?

16th-Jun-2011 10:12 pm (UTC) - Re: Tea.
The good, it can prevent all metal absorbtion, not just the ones that are good for you...And does not affect iron sourced from meats as easily as iron sourced from plant based food sources.

Under "absorbtion"

Look in the last section, under "Nutrient Interactions"

Simple & easy read, but not the best sited source.


I need to amend my statement on herbal teas. Some of them are also not so good. It seems coffee & cocoa are not out of the clear either. :-(
This article gives which ones are the worst and percentages:
16th-Jun-2011 09:38 pm (UTC)
BTW -the original article doesn't show any credentials after the authors name. So there's no reason to think he knows any more than the idiot stocking the vitamins aisle at Whole Foods.
16th-Jun-2011 09:58 pm (UTC) - ad hominem
defintion of
examples of

Conclusion: you just engaged in ad hominem attack. Review of my previous comments questioning if you read or scanned, I cannot validate your claims of me committing an ad hominem attack.

I filled in citations in my post to validate the author from the original article. The author can be cited as the article originates from an "authoritative" media source. Media articles tend to not include footnotes, and that is what it was. The author of that article, Zoe Harcombe, is also a degreed nutritionist and published author on obesity and nutrition. I am pretty sure she knows what she is talking about. She mentions her credentials in the article, which you apparently only scanned, but did not read.
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