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Tucson to start using photo radar, red light cameras 
9th-Aug-2007 07:13 am
Muhommad Caraciture
Big Bruddah is watchin' youse.
Tucson to start using photo radar, red light cameras

Associated Press - August 7, 2007 12:24 PM ET

TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) - The city of Tucson says it will begin testing photo radar and red light cameras next week. [...]


Before you all get up in arms about "privacy concerns", 1) you are in public and have no legal expectation of privacy, 2) you will only be photographed IN THE ACT of breaking the law.

I wonder why those people that decry a privacy concern about the traffic cameras never seem concerned about the cameras in banks, at ATMS, at the fast food joint, at work, at the grocery store, Wal Mart, Home Depot, their neighbor's webcam pointed out a window, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
9th-Aug-2007 05:31 pm (UTC)
while i agree with you wholeheartedly... i just want to reflect on your last query, people decry public cameras because they believe (wrongly) that they have the same right of privacy in public that they do in thier home, but most people realize that once you enter private property ie: a bank or a store or a parking lot, you have surrendered your right to the property owners, by entering the property you give tacit consent to be photographed, i think most people have at least a sense of this concept
10th-Aug-2007 07:07 pm (UTC)
Ah... but you for get that many of those privately owned cameras are being focused on PUBLICLY owned areas.
11th-Aug-2007 01:55 am (UTC)
doesnt matter, the privacy laws state that all images taken by cameras on private property that "overflow" into public domains are protected and are therefore meaningless in a right to privacy debate.... we had an issue like this at work when they tried to film us doing our jobs, whe we protested they told us (rightly) that all activities seen under a camera are legal provided we have a knowledge of the camera, so if a sec camera films us tough, but if a manager rigs a hidden one we are protected, i guess that means that if you can see the camera you have no recourse.... doesnt matter though, as this really doesnt apply since public land gives you no presumption of privacy and private property is after all private, but they cannot make money off of your image without your consent
11th-Aug-2007 02:02 pm (UTC)
I think the issue that most people have with these cameras is that they will have to change their behavior if they currently run red lights or drive too fast. While I *am* concerned about loss of privacy as a broader issue, I generally support camera coverage of public spaces as something that is unavoidable now and in the future. The most important thing about it is to build an ethics infrastructure that takes this into account, and guides the usage of this data.

13th-Aug-2007 01:55 pm (UTC)
Anonymous coward
Albuquerque has had them for months now. Of course, people complained, but only the ones who were *doing something illegal*. Dumbasses.
11th-Sep-2007 08:40 pm (UTC)
Another reason for the outcry...

Walmart won't mail a photo of someone leaving the store with a non-spouse to the home.

Red light photos with people who aren't supposed to be in the car??!!! Mailed to the home??!!!

Ya, there's been some instances of this.
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